trillion over ten years. true? >> not in the least bit true. look, this just goes to show, if you for tur statics enough, they will confess enough to what you want them to say. >> how much would it cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> i'm not talking about the cut. we'll get to the deductions. but the cut in the tax rates. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all american tax rates by 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> it's not revenue neutral unless you take away the deductions. >> that's where i'm going. >> i'm going to get to that in a second. >> lowering the tax base works and you can. >> let me just -- you haven't given me the math. >> look, i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go overall of the math. >> it would take too long to do the math? this isn't a pop quiz. it's a presidential election. even the conservatives are fed up with the lack of details. here's what laura ingraham said when she called in today. >> what i don't understand about this, if you have a different v